Freetricity: Another great small wind solution
Following up on the post a few days ago on the Windspire, I found another inexpensive windmill worth a look. Found at the Alternative Consumer, the E2D WindMaster boasts an incredibly low price. The WindMaster puts looks aside and puts the emphasis on low price. You can tell at a glance that it’s a less expensive model, but for rural homeowners this could be a great solution.
One of my main frustrations in investigating these energy sources is the difficulty comparing different systems on an even basis. And I’m still challenged trying to determine what size system I would need. The reseller who first figures out a way to make this easy for consumers is going to make a fortune.
UPDATE: From the comments: Reports are surfacing on the Internet that people who buy this one aren’t getting their product or a refund. Big thanks to Trent Sexton for keeping us on our toes!
March 18th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Sounds great, to great to be true if most of the other websites I checked with are believed. We all want great affordable products, but please do the necessary legwork before promotion. I have enjoyed this website recently, but if I doubt the reliability of products and independence of articles I won’t be back.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Thanks for your comment. I don’t do vetting of any product I showcase here. However, if you’d like to share the “other websites” you’ve found here, I’m sure that would be a great service to my readers.
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:42 am
I’m not asking for massive digging just minimal doublechecking from nonpromotional sources. When I type in “Freetricity”, “Freetricity Scam” comes up. Big red flag. 10 minutes of homework saves you effort in writing up gimmick/no substance products.
http://www.frauds.org/read.html?postid=31&replies=0
http://www.scam.com/search.php?searchid=2765294
http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/showthread.php?t=444
March 22nd, 2008 at 7:48 am
Excellent, thank you! Great feedback and very helpful info.
March 31st, 2008 at 6:48 am
Wow!
Seems as though Trent needs to improve the vetting of his vetting process:
“Trent on 22.03.2008 at 07:42 (Reply)
I’m not asking for massive digging just minimal doublechecking from nonpromotional sources. When I type in “Freetricityâ€, “Freetricity Scam†comes up. Big red flag. 10 minutes of homework saves you effort in writing up gimmick/no substance products.
http://www.frauds.org/read.html?postid=31&replies=0
http://www.scam.com/search.php?searchid=2765294
http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/showthread.php?t=444”
Perhaps a bit more than 10 minutes of homework was required. Lets break down the links he provided:
1) http://www.frauds.org/read.html?postid=31&replies=0
No replies because this isn’t a real site. Not one other thread or any other post than this one in over 5 years? The only thing this site does is suggest that some guy named Carl ran a fraudulent business called TopGolf several years ago. No proof is offered and none can be found. In fact it appears that TopGolf is a reputable business. And, none of this has anything to do with the company or product highlighted in this article! A simple search of frauds.org shows their ownerships character is dubious at best!
2) http://www.scam.com/search.php?searchid=2765294
This thread was started by a guy named Troy who quite frankly comes off as a total fool and then — admits he’s not only technically illiterate but has NEVER even seen the WindMaster. The very product that this article is about!
3) http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/showthread.php?t=444
They’ve done zero research. All they have done is parrot the posts of other competing business’s!
I’ve read all the posts about Freetricity and find none of the negative posts reliable or compelling ! In fact nothing in their BBB history shows any refusals of delivery or requested refunds!!
Seems like nothing but a web hit job to me. Which leads me to believe that they must be on to something big!
March 31st, 2008 at 6:54 am
My error! Frauds.org has no other threads or posts in over 9 years!
Hummmmm
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:06 am
Are you only allowing negative posts here?
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:06 am
Wow!
Seems as though Trent needs to improve the vetting of his vetting process:
“Trent on 22.03.2008 at 07:42 (Reply)
I’m not asking for massive digging just minimal doublechecking from nonpromotional sources. When I type in “Freetricityâ€, “Freetricity Scam†comes up. Big red flag. 10 minutes of homework saves you effort in writing up gimmick/no substance products.
http://www.frauds.org/read.html?postid=31&replies=0
http://www.scam.com/search.php?searchid=2765294
http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/showthread.php?t=444â€
Perhaps a bit more than 10 minutes of homework was required. Lets break down the links he provided:
1) http://www.frauds.org/read.html?postid=31&replies=0
No replies because this isn’t a real site. Not one other thread or any other post than this one in over 5 years? The only thing this site does is suggest that some guy named Carl ran a fraudulent business called TopGolf several years ago. No proof is offered and none can be found. In fact it appears that TopGolf is a reputable business. And, none of this has anything to do with the company or product highlighted in this article! A simple search of frauds.org shows their ownerships character is dubious at best!
2) http://www.scam.com/search.php?searchid=2765294
This thread was started by a guy named Troy who quite frankly comes off as a total fool and then — admits he’s not only technically illiterate but has NEVER even seen the WindMaster. The very product that this article is about!
3) http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/showthread.php?t=444
They’ve done zero research. All they have done is parrot the posts of other competing business’s!
I’ve read all the posts about Freetricity and find none of the negative posts reliable or compelling ! In fact nothing in their BBB history shows any refusals of delivery or requested refunds!!
Seems like nothing but a web hit job to me. Which leads me to believe that they must be on to something big!
April 2nd, 2008 at 7:07 am
Please note: My Name is Marshall and I posted info disputing the above negative posts and they are refusing to post it.
April 8th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Wow. This is awesome! It’s a wind energy fight! The scandal, the controversy, the guy named Marshall, the guy named Trent. Who knew wind energy could spark such emotion? I am intrigued.
I’d make a hot air joke but I’m much too classy for that.
April 15th, 2008 at 4:39 am
OK I am the guy that has been mentioned above. I was supposed to be a Freetricity distributor. I do believe that this is an internet scam. I paid for a distributorship and three of the units he was selling at the time. I paid in 05/07, between then and 11/07 I recieved one unit that Carl admitted did not work and asked me to return. I recieved two more units that did not work and were not what Carl described to me. I still had not recieved the original three units I had paid for. I asked for a refund along with five other distributors. We were all refused. His BBB rating was an A at the time and has now gone to CC. Feel free to go to my website for a more complete timeline. http://www.trolorenterprises.com My phone number is on the site. If you have questions I would be glad to answer. I can also put you in touch with several other distributors if I come off too foolish. There is also a thread at http://www.altenergystore.com that is over 100 post long. Carl starts out there with an alias as Steve Rays but eventually he is outed and continues to argue with real engineers and turbine guys. If any of you are near Dallas I do have the two units he sent me and you are welcome to come by and test em yourself.
April 15th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Well now troy. You have already admitted that you are technically inept, that you intend on blackmailing Freetricity and its other distributors and that you have NEVER even seen a windmaster?
Are any one of these statements false?
Do you read your own posts?
Have you ever seen a windmaster?
April 15th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I agree with Marshall. I think Troy comes off as very foolish, almost childish. And I have read all of his posts regarding freetricity.
This does seem to be a web hit job!
April 15th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Renae, I want to hear the hot air joke!
April 15th, 2008 at 9:30 am
ConnieK: I’m torn between a “yo’ mama” joke that would completely bring down the integrity of this conversation and this joke, which I filched from the Internet with some minor editing.
Three men are in a hot air balloon. One of the three men says, “I have got an idea. We can call for into this canyon and the echo will carry our voices far.” He leans over the basket and yells out, “Helllloooooo! Where are we?”
They hear the echo several times. 15 minutes later, they hear this echoing voice, “Helllloooooo! You are lost!”
One of the men says, “That must have been a Republican, for two reasons: 1) he took a long time to answer and 2) his answer was absolutely useless.”
April 15th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Has anyone done any research on the products connected to this site? Any thoughts on if those ads are for legit companies? I think it’s horrible we have to have this discussion, but you never know….
April 15th, 2008 at 11:22 am
OK I have simply tried to be honest. What I want to relay is that I am not an electrical engineer. I am however, perfectly capable of hooking up this simple turbine and I dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that it is not charging a battery. I did however hire an electricion and then later an electrical engineer with renewable energy experience to test my units. Both men confirmed that my turbines were not capable of meeting “any” of the claims made by Freetricity.
As to blackmail, if you mean, I have asked Freetricity for a refund of the exact amount that I paid them and then spent at their direction. Then I guess I have.
As far as thier other distributors I have made them the same offer I made to any interested party. Give me a call. I am happy to answer your questions about my experience one on one. I am open to listen to any suggestions you have to resolve my issues with Freetricity. They are also free to come by my home and take a look at the units you sent me. So far the only distributors that have contacted me are all having the same issues I did.
On the “Windmaster” this is the latest in the Freetricity line and it was not available before November when I asked for my refund. What I have are the E2D 1200 watt units and I prefer to keep my coments to those units. However since you asked A number of Distributors that do have those units have contacted me and again they tell me that not one of them has charged a battery.
I certainly hate that I come off as foolish or childish. What I really intend is to just relay my personal experiences, so that if you are interested, you have the information before you part with your money.
April 15th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Renae:
“Three men are in a hot air balloon. One of the three men says, “I have got an idea. We can call for into this canyon and the echo will carry our voices far.†He leans over the basket and yells out, “Helllloooooo! Where are we?â€
They hear the echo several times. 15 minutes later, they hear this echoing voice, “Helllloooooo! You are lost!â€
One of the men says, “That must have been a Republican, for two reasons: 1) he took a long time to answer and 2) his answer was absolutely useless.â€
LOL
I received an email last week with a comic quote at the end:
“if Bush were any more dense light would bend around him”!
Still makes me laugh.
Troy:
If it were such a scam why isn’t there dozens of posts about it? Other than you and a few “questionable” others? From what one gathers from reading all this is that you joined them during a product development stage. And that that product development period resulted in the Windmaster and the subsequent press release that led to this article and several others like it.
It looks as though you yelled scam way too early and look foolish because of it.
April 15th, 2008 at 11:56 am
If I were you I’d enforce my distributor rights! If they refused your refund you must still be a distributor.
April 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
ConnieK to Troy: “It looks as though you yelled scam way too early and look foolish because of it.”
That’s exactly what happened! I stumbled across this while searching for wind power and have read it all too Connie. Four things stick out:
1) Troy “signed” his contract with them on his second trip out to visit with them that was “several months” after his first!
2) Freetricity is NOT the first company he has signed up with and then claimed scam!
3) I have emailed (explanation next) 10 of their distributors that I found building their websites and asked their opinion of Freetricity and have received 8 responses back. They all say pretty much the same thing. They are happy the development stage is through and the WindMaster looks and preforms as hoped. Two guys in PA and NY were totally stoked with the end product.
4) I wanted to become a distributor for them and was told that my area as well as my surrounding areas were already taken!
Some scam.
April 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Two more interesting Freetricity tidbits:
1) Call them to order and they tell you delivery is 6 weeks out (not very scammish).
2) They’re getting almost 24,000 webhits monthly ( http://www.quantcast.com/freetricity.com ) so they must be busy. Probably explains the 6 weeks delivery.
If they were such a scam there would be hundreds of complaints by now. Not just this Troy guy.
I agree again with Connie. I think you should call them and apologize because your investment is looking more valuable everyday!
April 16th, 2008 at 4:11 am
Well when I paid them I was told that they had 70,000 units up and working across the country. They promised that my order would be shipped in 8 days. They also said that this 8 day order to shipment lag would always hold true as they had one factory in Mexico and another in Canada and could produce 40,000 per month if needed. 6 weeks would have been fine. I did not recieve my first nonworking unit for around 3 months. I was then strung along with promises and excuses which I foolishly beleived. After 6 months I had finally had enough and my order was still not complete. I then asked for a refund.
Now here is what stands out to me. Why would a legitimate company want an unhappy customer out there? Whats more why would they want an unhappy distributor out there? If people are knocking their door down to get in on this then why not refund my money, appologize to me, and sell my territory to one of the next 24,000 people that called. They did not spend any time installing or servicing. They refund my money. They get the 1 and 1/2 units they sent me back and they are out basically the time it took them to box it. Instead Carl has spent hours and hours on these sites arguing with me.
As to my investment, I bought the right to sell these things. After six months of promises that my unit would ship “next week”, and then the only product I ever recieved being defective. I as any sort of responcible business owner could never sell these units to the public. I would not put my name on something that I have no idea when or even if I could deliver it. Even if the new lastest greatest dream of Freetricity did work the business opportunity for me is gone, my hands are tied here. What do I tell my customer when they have trouble or want a refund? “Well Freetricity wouldnt give me a refund so I am not going to give you one. Yes I had all this trouble with Freetricity for a year but then I sold it to you anyway.” No thanks I just can’t do that.
April 16th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Your story simply strains credibility Troy! We all know you signed a contract with them and now you don’t want to honor that contract.
The fact is that your behavior since you decided not to honor your signed contract says way more about you and your level of professionalism than it could ever say about Freetricity. What’s the purpose of your website now? Like another asked you (and you avoided answering) don’t you have any regard for all of the Distributors who are trying to accomplish something with Freetricity?
Try to remove yourself from the situation for a moment and read the last two paragraphs of your recent post objectively. If you do you will see my seven year old throwing a tantrum!
April 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Connie how exactly would you know what my contract says? Ok lets just go with the idea that I am a distributor so it must say that I should sell these units. How exactly am I going to sell units that, after six months still are not delivered?
My website was originally a big Freetricity advertisment. Through it I gathered a number of potential customers. I am now simply trying to explain to them as well as any other interested parties why I can not provide what I had promised.
On credibility, the units that I did get are here, feel free to come look at em. Several people did.
As to maturity I can only say that I am very sorry if my story has offended you. I have tried to be as polite and objective as possible. I have not called anyone childish, foolish, imuature, or in fact directed any comments at an individual. I simply relayed my story as it happend to me.
April 18th, 2008 at 5:58 am
It seems to me that the issue is —”DO THEY WORK”.I don’t understand why A lot of you guys are jumping down Troy’s throat.
To Connie-Troy can’t honor a broken contract(non working unit-no units to sell after 3mnths)so he is not a distributor.
It seems to me some independent “legitimate agency” should check these guys out.I have called to check for myself and all my questions were referred to the websites info(no I’ll mail you a brochure like most legitimate companies not afraid of mail fraud would do)for answers.
In conclusion Troy had a problem,is it systemic or an aberration?Moot point “do they do what they say” and can I really get them.
April 22nd, 2008 at 6:59 am
“DO THEY WORK”
That’s the part of the question that makes Troys accusations laughable! He admits on another blog that he is technically inept. He then admits taking the generators apart (totally). Then he says they do not work. That they do not produce any current to charge the battery!
He took them apart, then they didn’t work and then he screamed scam! Get the picture Karl?
Anyone who has ever played with hobby motors with their slot cars or trains knows that all brushed permanent magnet motors are also dc generators. Spin the shaft of the motor and a voltage and current will be produced. Spin it fast enough to create (depending on the motors dc rating) at least 13 volts and the question is not whether the motor will charge a battery but how long it will take.
Google “using dc motors as generators” and you’ll see scores of others who have used dc motors successfully to charge batteries.
Troy took his apart, that’s why they don’t work.
Another thing that now makes his accusations laughable is his whining that he is being scrutinized by the very people he had hoped would read his posts. So, we read his posts. Some of us don’t believe him and after he calls this guy Carl (and some others) scam artists and frauds (amongst other names) he has the nerve to start whining about his being called a name (childish).
It’s hilarious really!
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:03 am
Your website’s sole purpose is to try to harm Freetricity. It’s not about problem solving or adding anything worthwhile to the renewable discussion.
Connie’s right, your behavior is childish.
April 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
OK Marshal since you have trouble reading those other blogs you keep mentioning I will go over it again here.
First I tested them, and they would not charge batteries. I tested one on a house mounted,and the other in a garage with a huge fan and a weather station. Niether worked.
I did not take the unit apart, I had the guy I hired do it. We only took one of the two apart, a very simple process just two bolts. After we put it back together it still acts exactly like the other and neither of them work. Yes DC motors generate electricity. A rule of thumb is One HP can produce around 850 watts. These units are 1/27th HP. units bought right off the shelf from Grainger. I’ll let you do the math. Of course you already read all this in the same post on the other blog. You seem to have selective vision. Even on your unit. It was supposed to arrive first week of April but you just got it on the 18th. So first shot out of the gate it was 10 days late. You are so tickled that you threw it up and were able to run down a battery bank and test the unit under a load (you did test it under a load right?). Then you send half of it back for an upgrade and not a word in here after being so vocal. I guess I am just jaded from my experience but something seems strange there.
April 22nd, 2008 at 2:52 pm
What are you talking about? I haven’t ordered anything from them yet (waiting for my refund check).
Spooky babe!! Keep firing them out though.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 am
LOL your right. Sorry got my blogs confused, but your question was still answered as to testing and function.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 am
Save your refund check Marshall. From the looks of it, this thing is a phony. You’d have
better luck buying Powerball lottery tickets. At least then, you could afford a tank of gas.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:24 am
“From the looks of it, this thing is a phony”
LOFL
There’s some critical analysis for you folks!
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 am
Way to take up the cause my man Marsh. You can call me Kev. Let’s see. Out of the 30
or so comments on this blog, you have about 25 of them. Your vehement defense of this
windmill is suspicious, especially considering you admit you haven’t even bought one. Do us all
a favor and stop shilling for this company. At least until you can come in here and give us some
proven results.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Hey, I did a lot of research before calling them. I wanted a dealership but couldn’t get one. My vehement defense is a result of Troys over the top accusations!
I like what they’re doing. The concept, the product and the pricing.
You want to come in and huff and puff at the end of a thread that’s your prerogative Kev!
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Confusion seems to reign supreme in your world Troy!
LOL
Sorry man, I couldn’t resist:)
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Don’t know how old you are bro, but people do sometimes try to pull stuff over on you.
You can spend all of your money on this if that’s what you want to do. Just remember the old saying:
buyer beware. When and if you do buy this thing, please come in here and give us the results. From what I can gather, nobody usually gives positive reviews on this or any other wind-generators for that matter.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:38 am
I think Marshall is 45. Anyone want to put some money down?
And honestly, what’s the age issue? Does being younger make someone more or less susceptible to scams? Kevin, are you implying that there’s a young ‘un named Marshall out there?
But I do agree with you: Troy sounds like had had a bad experience with a new product. I’d like to hear from someone else who purchased this particular item.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:17 am
I also would love to hear from anyone who has actually gotten some ++++ feedback on these units(I can find “NO”hands down,I love and use these units testimomials) or some legit 3rd party testing.Does anyone know anythig about the contest results from the postponed Jan
contest??????
April 25th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
+/- 2 years. Good guess.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
I was told they sent out invitations to the other manufacturer in Nov for a Jan date and tried again in Jan for a Mar date and no other manufacturers accepted.
I agree. The problem is the web is rarely used for positive comments for anything. I guess when you’re happy with something you are not motivated to post it. I’m always a bit skeptical with those customer testimonials anyway.
But, I just ordered a 24 volt low wind model from them. Once I get mine up and running I’ll post the results.
April 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
You mean to tell me that with all this bluster about proving themselves,they didn’t invite the press and the scientists to at least verify their own claims?This is a crock.”I invited everybody and they didn’t want to play Wa Wa Wa so I’m taking my toys and leaving the park”.
That clears it for me.At the very least they could have shown up for a photo-op and demo.
Marshall I would wish you good luck but I think your shilling too.As for + feedback check Ebay sometime and you will see that there are plenty of people out there who love to give praise where its due.
There is nothing like a good deal/opportunity to make people sing out.
April 29th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Karl,
I agree with you 100 %. The only thing we’ve ever seen from this company is their news-releases
touting there great product. Any of us could pay these sites money and run our own releases telling everyone our products are so wonderful. Unless this information is coming from an un-biased reputable news source, or third party who did independent testing and verified these claims, I wouldn’t buy any of it. There are far too many vultures hovering around out there trying to take our hard earned money.
This should make people wary, especially in this tough economic enviroment. Then again, it is times like these, that some people will try to capitalize in someones fears and weaknesses. Ex. – Power bills are at an alltime high, buy this generator and cut you electricity bill in half. Don’t think so.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:28 am
Wow Carl! How do you keep track of all of those names in your head?
It’s very interesting that you were able to contact 10 distributors when nobody else can find a single one with product. I think the last supporter you had was Rich Parker who paid you a visit and loved the output of the WindMaster that you had setup in a benchpress drill back in January. Looks like he is still waiting for the product since early February:
http://www.arenewableoption.com/
Why is it that when you Google “WindMaster” there is not a single website that comes up with the product for sale other than Freetricity? And when anyone comes looking for a product you try to sell them a territory instead?
As a California company, why have you not submitted the WindMaster to the California Energy Commission for testing to make it eligible for rebates? How difficult would it be to get your product listed here Carl?
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/cgi-bin/eligible_smallwind.cgi
Would it be because they actually test the product Carl?
May 17th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
*** Hilarious Alert ***
Troy … the main crybaby and one who screams scam about Freetricity WAS OFFERED A REFUND a couple of weeks ago and >>> TURNED IT DOWN!
Now you all know the true character of that “gentleman”!
And for all you other whiners out there … the WindMaster was only released in late March. Given the time to receive one 4-6 weeks just how many positive reviews could have been posted by now?
Especially given what anti-new anything this site is? Someone (like me) posts positive info about it and I get jumped on! You people are amazing … but go ahead and keep your heads in the sand… I hear it’s much cooler there!
May 19th, 2008 at 3:59 am
Freetricity did in fact send me a very carefully worded offer. They offered to sell my territory to some other poor soul. At that point they wanted to refund half of my “buy in” price. Then they wanted me to send all my equipment back to them and they would send me the other half of my “buy in” price.
First I will not sell units that dont work why would I sell a business that has not worked for a year? That would be dishonest on my part. (I bought this car and it doesn’t run so I trick someone else into buying it from me.)
Next the term “buy in” is specific allowing them to send me a check for about $600. I am actually out about $4000 at Freetricity’s direction. Not including my work and time.
Third they want me to send all my evidence that the product does not work after they sent me half of the refund. Well I waited six months for them to complete my original order and they could not do it. I just see no reason to think they would complete this order either. Also as I had already filed a claim in court against them I think I should hold on to the units that prove that what I was sent was not what was claimed and did not work.
This company spent a year lying to me. At this point I think I will let a judge decide what is right.
May 19th, 2008 at 5:53 am
That flushing sound you heard is Troy’s credibility going down the toilet!
“Next the term “buy in†is specific allowing them to send me a check for about $600. I am actually out about $4000 at Freetricity’s direction. Not including my work and time.”
Tell us Troy, did they offer to refund the “total” amount you paid them and:
1) Was making two visits two CA required to be a distributor (and did you actually pay for airfare)?
2) Aren’t you trying to collect now for your (so called) web development that Freetricity offered to do for free (tell us how much you spent on “your” childish site Troy)?
No credibility and childish … you’re quite a guy Troy!
May 19th, 2008 at 5:54 am
And hey Troy … just how many WindMasters do you have?
May 19th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Unbelievable Troy!
You spend all this time complaining about them, demanding a refund, calling Freetricity a scam and then you turn down their refund offer because you’re now trying to profit from the experience?
You have now entered the “laughable” zone!
May 19th, 2008 at 9:16 am
To Marshall and Connie K:
Ok so now, I’ll come to Troy’s defense.
I believe both of you have some connection to Freetricity,
or in fact represent Freetricity in some capacity. How else would you know such inside information down to the most minute details. You both fail to see the irony in that you label Troy as childish, dumb, and making outlandish statements on here: when in fact, you two are the ones spinning vicious and uncalled for comments on this forum. Just some example and quotes : (Connie – “I agree with Marshall, Troy comes off as very foolsih and childish”. Connie – compares Troy with her 7 year old throwing a temper tantrum. Marshall – ” Troy’s the main crybaby who screams scam”. Marshall – “Now you know the true character of the man”. Marshall – “No credibility and childish”. Marshall – “the flushing you hear is Troy’s credibility going down the drain”.) It seems to me that the 2 of you are the main ones doing the name calling. As someone who is very interested in renewable energy, and also having read this entire thread with objectivity, you two are the ones who come off as fools. Also, since the two of you seem to know more about this whole sordid affair than most, answer this question. Is Freetricity now willing to settle this without going to court, as Troy has stated that this is his intentions. Can it be that maybe Freetricity is afraid it might be exposed as a less than above board company if this thing is played out in front of a judge and jury.
One last thing Marhall, on your 4-15-08 post, a poster named NoCarl responded on 5-1-08 and asked you to explain why Freetricity had not registered with the Cal energy commission for testing for possible rebates. Actually, they are not registered in any states as far as I know. They advertise possible rebates when they haven’t even did the necessary work for this to actually be legal.
He also states that you said you had contacted 10 distributors, when he could find none. Why is it when you are asked a tough question about this company, you totally ignore it. If you’re not Freetricity, then you must be a politician.
May 20th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Oh come now Kev (or should we say Troy) does everyone who disagrees with you work for Freetricity?
LOFL Your desperation is fantastic!
And FYI, the windsmaster was introduced in late March (do you have a learning disability?)and several sites are up now including the one you referred to.
And lastly, that’s quite a detailed post by you there kev/troy!
May 20th, 2008 at 6:38 am
“I believe both of you have some connection to Freetricity,”
Ignorant and childish … good going there kev/troy!
May 20th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
No, I’m not Troy. Don’t know the gentleman, but I think he does a pretty good job of defending himself. Why would he have to come on here under an assumed name and do it. You on the other hand are very suspicious and not very believable. I’ve looked at every possible post concerning Freetricity, because like many others, I was curious. As far as I can tell, Troy is not the only one who has has problems with you guys. And yes Marshall, I say you guys because I know you are Freetricity. I have also looked at many other wind generator manufacturers and must say they at least have a smidgen of respectability and believability. Most can look at Freetricities amateurish design, and then see the head of the company arguing on these sites loke some idiotic homer, and basically demise that this is some fly-by-night ripoff organization. Lastly, you are the ignorant one. Most can see that you are the main one on here doing the name calling which proves your ignorance.
May 20th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
One other thing Marshy boy, you still didn’t answer poster NoCarls 3 questions on your 4-15-08 comment. You must have the learning disability because this has now been asked 3 times, but somehow you keep avoiding the question. I just find it hard to believe that some regular Joe-Schmo guy who has no relations to this company ( other than possibly buying one as you have stated) is in here defending this company to the extreme as you have. You’ve already admitted that you wanted a distributorship but couldn’t get one. Any other person would have just moved on to some other endeavor, but no, you’re still in here beating the freetricity drum.
May 21st, 2008 at 7:06 am
“No, I’m not Troy.”
Really? Then what explains your motivation to continue on this thread?
“and then see the head of the company arguing on these sites loke some idiotic homer”
LOFL “loke”? And hey Einstein isn’t that name calling?
Soooooooo I’ve gone from supposedly working for freetricity to now supposedly owning it in less than a day? My god … I’m fantastic!
May 21st, 2008 at 7:08 am
This gets funnier the more I read it! So, are Connie and Renae Freetricity owners too?
May 21st, 2008 at 7:16 am
“One other thing Marshy boy, you still didn’t answer poster NoCarls 3 questions”
I’ll go slow for so you wont get confused (again).
Those questions are directed to Carl … I’m not he! In fact during my dealings with Freetricity I never spoke to or was referred to a Carl. You fools act like he’s the only person there … it’s as laughable as the rest of your nonsensical posts!
I do see that Rich’s website is developing and I also know of about 10 others so you must not be using the internets (you’re probably a bush supporter too huh Kev) correctly sparky!
As I said before I like what they’re doing (like their new intro, way cool) that’s my motivation little man … what’s yours?
May 21st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Wow! This has to be the most fascinating string I have ever read. I have actually never read a string this long from top to bottom before. I’ll withhold comment on who I find credible and who I wonder about – but I will put off on any decisions about Freetricity until next year. Then I will see what has accumulated on the web about them.
PS I am not Troy, Marshall, kevin, or any of the other previous posters. Truely I am not. Also, my feelings bruise easily, so please do not lambaste my conceivably laughable and/or hysterical post.
May 21st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Hey Carl,
Are you not ready to give up on this yet? lol. Let me help the readers with the facts.
1. Connie and Marchall is the same person.
2. Stephen and Teerrance at the Alternative Consumer forum is the same person.
3. Rich Parker, Lisa Grabel, Steve Rays, George Mc, and several others at the Alternative Energy forum is the same person. Well, perhaps Rich Parker and Steve Rays are just golfing buddies.
http://forums.altenergystore.com/Renewable-Energy/Technical/Freetricitycom/index.php/topic,1081.msg3937.html#msg3937
http://forums.altenergystore.com/Renewable-Energy/Technical/Freetricitycom/index.php/topic,1081.msg4848.html#msg4848
But all of those people are really just one guy named Carl. Lots of aliases, but alas not a single working wind turbine. We could ask Rich Parker, the freetricity “dealer” in El Paso, but he went silent after being asked why his phone number was in Illinois.
Can you answer that question Marshall?
May 22nd, 2008 at 6:49 am
LOFL
Yeah! Were all Carl!
May 22nd, 2008 at 6:51 am
Ladies and gentlemen this “person” is exactly what happens when a child gets left behind!
May 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
Forgetaboutit NoCarl. You can’t win in a post-off with Marshall Carl Terrance or whatever his name is.
This guy is as tenacious as the panhandler chasing you down the street trying to get your money. Let me take that back, as not to offend any pan handlers out there. As far as the nefarious Dick Parker ( I still believe that is Marshal Carl Terrance’s drag queen name) is concerned, he was spouting off in Jan. about having his web site up, which by the way was registered in Illinois also. Even if this guy was legit, why the 4 month delay in getting it up. Could it be because Freetricity never delivers anything.
Marshmouth, I guess my motive for continuing to be in here is to debunk little twits like you, who obviously come on sites like this and shill for bogus companies.
Finally Marshmellow, I guess I have stooped to your level in name calling, but only after taking your abuse on here. Same as Terrance taking shots at everybody on alternative consumer, Steve Rays and Freetricity at Alt-energy, and Rich ( Dick) Parker on the same site. Seems as though if anybody asks you a legitimate tough question, you automatically start the name calling. Again, I guess I have lowered myself to you level, but I’m going to stop. It’s awful dirty and smelly down here, but I guess your used to it, huh.
May 24th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Marshall on 23.04.2008 at 14:54 (Reply)
Hey, I did a lot of research before calling them. I wanted a dealership but couldn’t get one. My vehement defense is a result of Troys over the top accusations!
I like what they’re doing. The concept, the product and the pricing.
KarlNY-Come on nobody needs to defend a legit company who has a good product/opportunity,ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO CAN’T EVEN GET A DEALERSHIP FROM THEM.
I think its time to roll on out of here.
Troy sorry for your probs.YOU-GO-GET-EM.
May 27th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Hey Marsh for brains, I see where you said Richie boy had his web site up and running. As far as I can tell, all he has done is copy the first page of the main Freetricity site. You can’t even get to any of the other links. Just the one page. Yep, that is quite a web site. And you and Freetricity have the audacity to blast Troy for his web site. Another question for ya, since you question my internet skills. Why don’t you list some of the websites and phone numbers for the 10 distributors you said you contacted. I’ve looked over pages and pages of the internet and all I can find is 2 or 3 sites claiming to be distributors, and all they have done is copy the first page of the Freetricity site. I even tried to call one ( I believe maybe in Arkansas) and got a disconnect message. So my challenge to you is to list these 10 distributors, or maybe they just want to remain anonymous. Yeah, that’s a great way to market and advertise this amazing new product.
June 15th, 2008 at 10:39 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAH… wow.. This is the first time I’ve managed to follow a thread about the same topic over several different unaffiliated websites.
From here at the altenergy website : http://forums.altenergystore.com/Renewable-Energy/Technical/Freetricitycom/index.php/topic,1081.0.html
Jump to page 10 of the posts and start reading, the folks doing the math seem to have done their homework and taken the Freetricity reps to the woodshed.
By the way, sorry about the necro-post.
June 17th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Sorry to add this to the discussion, but my old friend, who is working very hard to set up an off the grid homeplace, has one of these units and the company is giving him the run-around, too. It is sad, as he certainly can not afford to be out this money.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
All this seems to very dis-interesting. I think a one statement entry is all that is required to say yea or nay. The bickering is tiresome and wastes time in trying to wade through it. This type of blogging (babbling) is useless because no one knows if you are real (company man, bad experience or good experience, just on the band wagon or a lobbyist for one side or the other who care not for nuttin but the paycheck). Facts just the facts. The CEC (California energy commision), the underwriters laboratory, or even the dude that has his own wind generating lab on his property would be good places to check. see, I have my own experiences with the company but you could not guess what. Facts just the facts, no babbling
July 15th, 2008 at 5:19 am
This thread has not been very useful. I can’t believe I read the entire thing only to be confused and suspicious of one company and one person or many people or whatever. I see points on both sides, but now agree that until more positive information about this company comes out or objective testing is done and published, I will hold off on my purchase. Bottom line folks, look for BBB and UL backing. With those two endorsements, I would be much better off.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
What I have done at this point is filed a small claims suit against Carl. My intent was to not post anything until that trial had occured and simply post the results. Unfortunately Carl avoided the summons for the court date of Aug 1. I have now had him served in person so he could not avoid it and have a new court date of Oct. 2. I will report the results of that trial.
August 13th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
It’s amazing, a thread discussing Freetricty where:
*Freetricity supporters attack any critic with childish insults and
*Freetricity supporters refuse to answer legitimate questions.
Where else has this happened?
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=43994
Freetricity either needs to give it’s shills better PR training or they need to man up and get the E2D WindMaster tested by a reputable third party to prove what it really can do. But they could just keep on ripping off and insulting people, why mess with success.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Marshall to the 3rd power,
Marshall to the 1st power hasn’t been on here touting Freetricity, since the middle of May. Surely by now he would have some excellent information on the Windmaster, since he was about to purchase one. Personally, I believe he was only a plant from the company itself. As to the Scam site, as well as all of the others, all you have to do is read a few of them to get a pretty good idea of Freetricty and their product. That and a pretty bad BBB rating.
P.S. Pretty good Brady reference.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:10 am
good site xoimph
September 27th, 2008 at 9:31 am
um I have checked richs website and there is not one viable link and the phone number just says leave a meesage doesnt even acknowledge who you called
September 27th, 2008 at 9:36 am
lol me to pretty cool huh
September 27th, 2008 at 9:42 am
i was refering to following this argument from site to site. By the way Troy wins I wouldnt buy one of these things.
October 4th, 2008 at 5:48 am
Court update:
I had promissed to report the outcome of the Oct.2 trial. I am sorry to say that this is just an update. As has been the standard with Freetricity, Carl came to court with nothing but excuses and begging for it to be delayed.
Starting in Jan. Carl has been telling anyone that would listen that he was suing me. Since that never happened. I finally filed on him and had an Aug. court date. He avoided that by dodging the certified mail summons sent by the court. I then got the Oct. court date and Carl was served by an actual process server. Due to Carl dodging the Aug. date the Alabama distributor was able to file against Carl, have him served by the same process server, and get the same Oct court date. That allowed us both to be there when Carl came in alone and claimed that he had just found out about the trial three days before. He had no idea about it. The judge sort of smacked that down however me and the other plaintiff had received advice from the court to list both Carl and the company since he had used an alias when setting it up. It turns out that this is bad advice and the judge granted Carl the continuance he asked for based on that incorrect title line. New court date of Nov 6. where I am sure Carl will again try some sort of trick. Of course the delays have sort of worked out for me so far. Flying is no real trouble for me or the Alabama distributor and the golf is great out there year round. We had a very nice round while we were there this time. So we will just keep showing up and reporting Nov. 6, Dec 6, Jan. Whatever it takes.
November 8th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Court update II
Well folks lace up your dancing shoes. I did indeed witness another round of the Freetricity shuffle otherwise known as the “Dance a Little Sidestep”. For the third time I was ready to let the judge hear the facts and decide the case. Again however Carl came up with a way to delay and dodge. He did file a $2,084,000 limited civil suit against me. This action basically trumps the smaller cases and sets a new hearing date in May of 09. This is the same tactic that Carl has used in every aspect of our dealings. Delay for as long as possible. In the Vettes world of “bad publicity” is better than no publicity, every week he can delay is another week he can sell his wares.
December 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Stay away – It took months to get with nothing but excuses and no instuctions when you finally get it – then a refund is promised after you spend 150.00 to send it back from NY. After an e-mail comes from “accounting” approving your refund good luck -you never see it- and they will not answer the phone or call back. STAY AWAY!! My family is out almost 4000.00 and we cannot afford that with a baby!! all we want is our monet back – and I was not even in a contract with this company for a distributorship – just a regular guy trying to save some money on electricity.
March 16th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
My name is ken I bought a grid tie system from freetricity back in may and have had nothing but problems with poor directions on how to install and no help from freetricity which just pissed me off. but I did end up calling outback the company that makes the inverter they were very helpful telling me excactly what i needed to do and i was able to get my windmill working or so i think i wont no untill next months electric bill but i do have batteries charging and inverter working I also would never buy from them again do to pour customer service
May 13th, 2009 at 1:17 am
I am in the same boat as you are. I spent money – about $3800 on a territory and an upgraded unit and I have never received anything but the actual windmill portion – no pole, no grid connect system – nothing to actually save myself any money on my electric bill or anything that I could show other people and actually sell. We, too have a new baby and all I want is my unit, or my money back and I think Carl is filing a BK. I have to call my attorney to check on it.
Best regards,
Cathy Toso
May 13th, 2009 at 1:20 am
I never received a pole or a grid tie system and I ordered mine last year about this time. How did you actually get the whole system? I just want my system or my money back.
Best regards,
Cathy Toso
August 10th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Freetricity sent an email some months ago saying Carl was filing backruptcy. I tried to get a refund, leaving messages, calling etc etc after I had heard from another distributor that he had never gotten the whole system. I never had a response. My mother died and I couldn’t deal with any of it, as the money invested was not important to me after her death. But now it has been six months and I surely would like to know what is going. I see that he is selling units on the site…how can he keep doing this?
September 14th, 2009 at 10:09 am
OK I know I have stripped the hide right off this poor dead horse. However I promised to report court happenings and the fact is that these post help keep Carl Vettes, Carl Vetts, Glenn Hunt, Linda Vettes, Freetricity, and now American Home Wind and Solar on the first page of the search engines so maybe anyone smart enough to do a little checking will not be taken in by this criminal.
In an effort to put off the court action I had filed against him, Carl trumped my case by filing one of his own in a higher court. He got exactly what he wanted. A big delay. This morning that all finally ended with Carl once again showing his true colors. The case he had filed was dismissed as he failed to show up in court for the second time. Yep despite all his ranting in here he just no showed. Of course it remains to be seen what he will do about the cross compliant that I filed. I am not sure what part of “I will never give up” he is having trouble with. Keep your eyes open Carl changed the name of his golf scam at least four times.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 am
Freetricity is a total scam – stay away – I honestly believe Carl pays Marshall or is actually Marshall. This man is the worst businessman I have ever dealt with in my life !! No windmaster and nothing but excuses for months- then try to get a refund – even worse – no calls back – he won’t answer the phone- and then when you do get him he promises a refund – sends a bogus email and never sends the “check”. This man and his “company” need to be investigated!! Take stock in the BBB report- I should have, my mistake. Only do business with companies with a good rating and standing. Beware for your own good.